Crassus
1:08 Sun Mar 3
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HH
Assuming that you are not taking the piss, a jet is a term for a jet engined aircraft, this specific aircraft was powered by a single propeller - just like a Spitfire, a spinning howsyourfather on it's nose
They fly optimally at different altitudes, as said, a jet would have been above the weather system that most likley caused the problems for the prop'
Just Google Sala airplane, then Ronaldo airplane - I think you will notice a stark difference between the two small aircraft
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HairyHammer
12:50 Sun Mar 3
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Crassus
I seriously have no idea what the difference between a jet or plane know fuck all about what I am talking about on that score although I have flown commercially many times, I just saw someone just below my comment wrote that playing for Cardiff does not mean you will get a jet so I used that word.
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eusebiovic
12:44 Sun Mar 3
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I don't know if anybody here has experience of regularly flying over the Bay of Biscay but it is notorious for cross winds and bad weather which causes delays.
My dad's side of the family is from A Coruna on the Atlantic Coast in Galicia, Spain.
I have made numerous flights between London and there since I was young and it never takes more than a couple of hours - in the summer during perfect calm weather sometimes it shaves 20 minutes off the flying time.
However, when the crosswinds across the Bay of Biscay are playing up and at their worst I've regularly had to wait at either end for the worst to clear before the plane can depart. This can be 2 to 3 hours on a bad day. On a couple of occasions the flight was cancelled. This for a journey which I practically consider a domestic flight - which is more often than not on a scheduled British Airways/Iberia flight too.
McKay & his son are up to their neck in shit. The responsibility for ensuring that the pilot is qualified and the aircraft suitable for the journey lies with them because they made the arrangements and didn't do their due diligence.
As mentioned by others I think the onion will begin to unravel for them regarding a long history of this sort of stuff.
They are shitting it - with good reason.
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Briano
11:35 Sat Mar 2
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I didn't know that, but saw his recent interviews and agree with Hairy about 'the cut of his jib'
McKay and his jumpy faced son should not be allowed near any club again.
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On The Ball
11:27 Sat Mar 2
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For anyone forgetting, Willie Mackay is the agent who had an office at Chadwell Heath when Redknapp was in charge - which was and always will be completely against the rules.
Oddly, he was also the agent for just about every shit deal that Redknapp ever did. Anyone French, anyone African, anyone Scandinavian - and others. Oddly, he was also the agent for anyone back then who didn't have/want/need an agent - they ended up with both and agent and a considerable increase on the wage they asked for. Not that that was how much they ended up with once paid - wonder where the rest went?
I didn't read the Tom Bower book that detailed lots of allegations against Redknapp (the book he was going to sue about but oddly never got round to doing), but that surrounded his use of certain agents too. Also, think of just about any shit African that's come over to the PL from France in the last couple of decades - you'll never guess who their agent always is?
What weird coincidences.
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Briano
10:58 Sat Mar 2
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Mike Oxsaw
Interesting you mention Indonesia, one of the expats I met in Singapore was a metallurgist for Rolls Royce.
90% of his work was recovering the engines from crashed aircraft.
He said the maintenance was appalling,
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Mike Oxsaw
10:36 Sat Mar 2
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HairyHammer 9:38 Sat Mar 2
Even 6-8 seat private jet would have been 10-12,000 feet above where that plane was flying.
Jet engines are more efficient in the cold, rarefied atmosphere above 20,000 feet.
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Crassus
9:57 Sat Mar 2
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HH
You are way off the mark here, he was not in a bloody jet, private or otherwise and neither with an aircraft of 100 capacity
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HairyHammer
9:38 Sat Mar 2
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Mike
Yep obviously a safer way to travel the fact that there would have been 100 passengers or more would give me confidence but I am a lowly lump not a pro footballer.
Those little planes move around don't they I mean it is crazy there was no need.
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Mike Oxsaw
9:35 Sat Mar 2
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HairyHammer 9:21 Sat Mar 2
A jet would have been well above the weather system that caused all the problems.
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HairyHammer
9:23 Sat Mar 2
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I saw the Scottish agent and did not like the cut of his jib one bit he and those in charge of Cardiff will now both pass the buck until they all die.
Agents are like dictators they want it all and give little.
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HairyHammer
9:21 Sat Mar 2
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Sometimes cheap and cheerful is the best way I certainly would not have wanted a little private jet but these footballers are used to all this .
Personally I blame the agent he should have just got a normal plane ticket 1st class for the player instead of a private jet.
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Lertie Button
9:15 Sat Mar 2
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Fuck me just book a flight the way the rest of us do.
As he discovered, signing for Cardiff doesn't warrent a private jet
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Mike Oxsaw
6:14 Sat Mar 2
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So, just because he was worth 15,000,000 pounds that absolves him of all personal responsibility does it?
Righto.
Cardiff and/or Mackay are accountable for booking the flight, without doubt, but the final responsibility rests with Sala.
He may well have decided just to trust the pilot, but it was still his responsibility to make that judgement call.
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Far Cough
3:58 Sat Mar 2
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Oxsnore, you don't know if Sala asked these pertinent questions or not and even if he did, planes still crash, loads of aircraft have crashed all by properly licenced air crew and airworthy certificated aircraft.
If I was in a place where they " had a bad habit of losing all sorts of aircraft" I certainly wouldn't get in one, questions answered satisfactorily or not.
Sorry Oxsnore, your argument is full of holes and a slight on Emiliano Sala's spirit
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gph
3:52 Sat Mar 2
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3:04-3:43 is a massive attention span these days, but...
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Mike Oxsaw
3:43 Sat Mar 2
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Hmmm. I was working in Indonesia a few years back but needed to fly in and out regularly.
Out there at the time, they had a bad habit of losing all sorts of aircraft, so, yes, I did ask questions about aircraft and crew suitability before deciding to fly and who with.
The ONLY difference was that I didn't put the questions directly to the pilots and (ground) crew.
There's no escaping personal responsibility, no matter how much you wriggle.
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ironsofcanada
3:26 Sat Mar 2
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Crassus 3:24 Sat Mar 2
"engaged in peanut based logistics"
It was exciting at the time but that makes it sound even more so.
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Far Cough
3:26 Sat Mar 2
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Crassus, not true, Sala should have checked things....
...apparently
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Crassus
3:24 Sat Mar 2
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My flight experience is confined to either pleasure or for work purposes when they have organised it
Bit like young Sala really
He was not undertaking some kind of pioneering mission up the Zambezi or come to think of it, engaged in peanut based logistics
The lad just jumped upon a flight as instructed and died - blame lay elsewhere
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gph
3:23 Sat Mar 2
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This can be applied to all sorts of things - bridges, hotel rooms, football stadia (those lazy bastards at Bradford couldn't be bothered to run a computer model of what would happen if someone dropped a cigarette under 70,000 distinct sets of conditions),...
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